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    Iglesia ni Cristo and Creature Worship

    Dear Friends,

    Many of you are not probably aware that when the Iglesia ni Cristo worships Jesus Christ they are actually worshipping Him in the form of a "creature" or a "created being." In fact, this practice is no longer new since they borrowed this concept from Arius, one excommunicated church leader in Alexandria, Egypt. I heard one Iglesia ni Cristo minister said that if God the Father commanded them to worship a wood they will gladly do it. But the next question would be, how can they unite this practice with the Old Testament way of monotheistic worship? Is this really the God of the Bible who would contradict His design of worship. Probably I would understand if they teach that the "wood" also possessed the same divine nature like the Father Himself thereby making HIm and that wood equal in nature and substance. Fortunately that is not the case because the Scripture shows not a "wood" but the Son of God along with the Holy Spirit who are both equal in divine nature with the Father thereby upholding monotheism. To say that the three Persons are three separate Gods is to promote tritheism. To say that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are just manifestations of Jesus Christ is to sacrifice the distinct personality of the Father and the Holy Spirit which promotes modalism or "Oneness" heresy. To say that the Father alone is God while the Son Jesus is man alone not God equal in substance with the Father while maintaining separate worship of the Father and the Son is promoting pagan creature-worship. The Bible is clear that there are three distinct divine Persons in the one (composite unity) Yahweh: the Father, the Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit who is worthy of praise, worship, and adoration. It is also important for us to understand that whenever Jesus feels hungry, tired, thirsty, does not know His coming, or experience death this is because of His human nature that was added on Him when He was sent to earth through virgin birth. The Gnostics does not want to believe that God can come here in human flesh. This is why they oppose the fact that Jesus Christ came here in human flesh because they fully understood Jesus' claim to be God.

    Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist. 2 John 1:7

    And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. 1 Timothy 3:16

    The Iglesia ni Cristo are the modern-day Gnostics who practices creature-worship. Imagine a whole bunch of Iglesia ni Cristo worshipping the Creator alongside a creature. This is very much foreign to the Prophets and Christian believers during the Old and New Testament times.

    They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator--who is forever praised. Amen. Romans 1:25

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    Note: Please click here and here for more readings on the Iglesia ni Cristo

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    Mr. Justyn can you provide any evidence pertaining to your claim that INC are worshipping Creature not the creator.??? sample like pasugo,video clippings.

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    if you are not the creator/divine, then you are created, aka a creature.
    the divine cannot create a divine like himself, no such thing, as the creator has no beginning nor has no end.

    the creature therefore has a beginning, the moment of his creation, created by the creator.

    to the creator we attribute to be GOD, to the created/creature we attribute everything else that was created.
    this are all forms of animate and inanimate matter (sea, land, air, water, animals, plants, man, angels, etc.. the universe itself).

    with that cleared, so now we go to the INC's belief about Jesus who is the christ. On Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iglesia_Ni_Cristo) which references all other references, on the section that pertains to their belief on JC ;

    The (INC) church believes that Jesus Christ is the mediator between God the Father and humanity,[20] and was created by God the Father. God sanctified him to be without sin, and bestowed him the titles "Lord" and "Son of God". The church sees Jesus as God's highest creation, and denies his divinity. Thus, INC theology is classified as Arian..

    So it is obvious enough, even if you ask a regular INC, that Jesus was just a created entity - aka a creature. Not one of the creator/divine, but part of the created. Regardless of whether he is the highest, he is still created.

    If you ask an INC if they worship Jesus Christ, they unanimously would say yes!
    Now this is the problem. Why worship a created when the scripture is clear on this matter -> thou shall worship GOD only.

    Those who worship the created (regardless whether they be angels, humans, statues, pictures, animals, sun, moon, etc..) are guilty of idolatry - worshipping the created.

    It is idolatry not primarily because God said to worship him only, it is idolatry because they insult God by lowering him and making him a created.

    And here is the warning and profile of those who worship the created, they are liars.
    They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator--who is forever praised. Amen. Romans 1:25



    Quote Originally Posted by PATHFINDEER View Post
    Mr. Justyn can you provide any evidence pertaining to your claim that INC are worshipping Creature not the creator.??? sample like pasugo,video clippings.

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    youre not answering directly my questions sir. your just giving a comment.

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    1. Are you an INC member ?

    2. Do you believe that JC was created ?

    3. Do you worship JC?

    If your answer in Q2, 3 are YES, then you are a creature worshiper.
    See you can answer the question yourself without resorting to lawyer antics.

    But let us not go around in circles, and you trying to wrestle about evidences, etc..
    If you are an INC (which you have not yet admitted), you will probably agree with the post of this INC member, taken from here :



    So now the question is,

    1) do you believe the word 'creature' qualifies everything that has been created, including Jesus Christ ? Meaning if you are created = you are a creature.

    2) believing that JC was created, does it disqualifies him as no longer a created, considering he was 'promoted- name above every name' later on ? in other words, does his 'new NAME/Title' disqualifies him as a created being ?


    Quote Originally Posted by PATHFINDEER View Post
    youre not answering directly my questions sir. your just giving a comment.
    Last edited by iSE; 11-19-2012 at 07:30 PM.

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    Iglesia ni Cristo and Creature-Worship

    Quote Originally Posted by iSE View Post
    1. Are you an INC member ?

    2. Do you believe that JC was created ?

    3. Do you worship JC?

    If your answer in Q2, 3 are YES, then you are a creature worshiper.
    See you can answer the question yourself without resorting to lawyer antics.

    But let us not go around in circles, and you trying to wrestle about evidences, etc..
    If you are an INC (which you have not yet admitted), you will probably agree with the post of this INC member, taken from here :



    So now the question is,

    1) do you believe the word 'creature' qualifies everything that has been created, including Jesus Christ ? Meaning if you are created = you are a creature.

    2) believing that JC was created, does it disqualifies him as no longer a created, considering he was 'promoted- name above every name' later on ? in other words, does his 'new NAME/Title' disqualifies him as a created being ?
    Dear Friend,

    Thanks for posting this one. At least, you have given them a proof that the Iglesia ni Cristo leaders believe Jesus Christ is a creature. Yes, they may not worship Jesus Christ as creature but the mere fact that they worship a created "Jesus Christ" is still tantamount to worshipping a creature Jesus Christ. However they explain their action away they cannot hide the fact and get away from pagan creature worship. They are cloaking Christianity with pagan creature-worship. (See Romans 1:25)

    Justyn M. | Coordinator
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    Its sad to say na ma ytinatago kayo sa mga kwento nyo tungkol sa INC. tell the whole truth in their belief. atake kayo ng atake eh hindi nyo naman nauunawaan ang belief ng INC.

    1. Ang Iglesia Ni Cristo ay Naniniwala na ang Likas na kalagayan Ni Cristo ay TAO.

    2. Naniniwala ang INC sa IISANG TUNAY na Dios na Ipinakikilala ng Bilbia(AMA) hindi po yung tatlong Persona o trinidad na inimbento lang.

    3. Ang Pagsambang Ginagawa ng INC kay Cristo ay Para sa ikaluluwalhati ng Ama samakawid ay Hindi patungkol sa Kanya o sa kanyang Likas na kalagayang tao.

    4. Sinasamba ng INC si Cristo sapagkat ito ang utos ng Dios.( Kaya bakit mo tututulan ang Dios kung sya naman ang nagutos para sambahin si Cristo para din naman sa ikaluluwalhati nya(ng Ama)


    kaya maliwanag po na pawang paninira at gawa2x nyo lamang ang paksa dito para may mapagusapan. o kung talagang mataas ang confidence level nyo eh bat hindi nyo nalang imbitahan sa isang formal debate ang INC kesa puro banat kayo dito at makahikayat ng sumali dito sa forum na ito ang members ng iNC.

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    sir your answer is not relevant to the thread.

    you believe that christ is just a man, you admit that jesus was just created, and you admit you worship christ.
    therefore, you worship jesus the created. you are a created worshiper. in other words, an idolater. period.
    regardless of your reason why (that god has commanded you, blah bah blah..), it doesn't change the fact that you are worshiping a creature/created.


    and any INC like yourself has not shown any reasons to oppose this, because that's basically what you do and believe.

    see you are quick to judge the RCC but both of you are actually on the same boat. ironic.

    Quote Originally Posted by PATHFINDEER View Post
    Its sad to say na ma ytinatago kayo sa mga kwento nyo tungkol sa INC. tell the whole truth in their belief. atake kayo ng atake eh hindi nyo naman nauunawaan ang belief ng INC.

    1. Ang Iglesia Ni Cristo ay Naniniwala na ang Likas na kalagayan Ni Cristo ay TAO.

    2. Naniniwala ang INC sa IISANG TUNAY na Dios na Ipinakikilala ng Bilbia(AMA) hindi po yung tatlong Persona o trinidad na inimbento lang.

    3. Ang Pagsambang Ginagawa ng INC kay Cristo ay Para sa ikaluluwalhati ng Ama samakawid ay Hindi patungkol sa Kanya o sa kanyang Likas na kalagayang tao.

    4. Sinasamba ng INC si Cristo sapagkat ito ang utos ng Dios.( Kaya bakit mo tututulan ang Dios kung sya naman ang nagutos para sambahin si Cristo para din naman sa ikaluluwalhati nya(ng Ama)


    kaya maliwanag po na pawang paninira at gawa2x nyo lamang ang paksa dito para may mapagusapan. o kung talagang mataas ang confidence level nyo eh bat hindi nyo nalang imbitahan sa isang formal debate ang INC kesa puro banat kayo dito at makahikayat ng sumali dito sa forum na ito ang members ng iNC.

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    Brad nanjan na lahat ang sagot, pinipilit mu lang kasi yung paniniwala na hindi naman paniniwala ng INC.

    Take note na lahat ng yan eh nasusulat sa biblia. Tutulan mo ang Dios hindi kami.

    DEFINE Diyus-Diyusan???

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    tama ka andiyan na lahat ang sagot.

    - na ang paniniwala nyo si hesus at tao lang, nilikha lang

    - na ang paniniwala nyo si hesus na nilikha lang ay sinsasamba nyo

    - na kayo ay sumasamba sa nilikha lamang na si hesus, in other words-> sumasamba sa nilikha


    di mo naman tinangihan yan, so iyan ang inc -> sumasamba sa nilikha lamang na si hesus.

    it doesnt matter kung napromote, o kung anu-ano pang tituto. it still remains the fact na si hesus ayon sa inyo ay nilikha, at kayo ay sumasamba sa nilikhang si hesus.

    eh di bullseye. tapos!

    Quote Originally Posted by PATHFINDEER View Post
    Brad nanjan na lahat ang sagot, pinipilit mu lang kasi yung paniniwala na hindi naman paniniwala ng INC.
    Take note na lahat ng yan eh nasusulat sa biblia. Tutulan mo ang Dios hindi kami.
    DEFINE Diyus-Diyusan???

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